Now that the Fusion Sport flopped

"BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather" (bugeyedacura) 09/01/2016 at 17:01 • Filed to: None

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Can we please stop acting like Ford is Average Enthusiast Jesus? The ST is sorely lagging behind the GTI, and will probably get spanked by the new Si. The RS has one trick, “Drift Mode”, and all outlets say it gets boring after about 5 minutes. And the GT350, unless you get the balls out KR version or whatever it’s called, is no faster than the Camaro SS.

The better questions is why did Automotive professionals expect anything at all resembling a legitimate enthusiast driving experience from a car based on the Fusion...

jkm7680 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:06

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I’m not too sure what was expected out of the Fusion Sport. It’s still basically an American Camry.

TheHondaBro > jkm7680 09/01/2016 at 17:07

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To be fair, the Camry is an American Camry. The Fusion is an American Mondeo.

AM3R shamefully returns > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:07

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I'm not really a ford guy but the ST is not sorely lagging behind a GTI.

jkm7680 > TheHondaBro 09/01/2016 at 17:08

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ok hondabro

Future next gen S2000 owner > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:09

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Just because it doesn’t meet automotive journalists expectations based on limited information hardly makes it a flop.

I’m also confused on the Average Enthusiast Jesus line. Who thinks that?

dogisbadob > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:10

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The Fusion sport flopped because no wagon, no manual transmission, and it should’ve used a turbo-4 instead of a V6 (transverse V6's are stupid and impossible to service).

The Fusion ST or RS could simply use the Focus ST/RS running gear :)

And the base Fusion should get rid of the lame-ass 2.5L and use the 2.0 from the Focus instead.

The Accord needs a glass sunroof that sldies open, and the international amber turn signals.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > jkm7680 09/01/2016 at 17:11

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The Fusion falls flat in every iteration, but people still rush to defend it. I don’t get it.

Gerry197 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:11

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To be fair to the GT350, it wasn’t designed for straight line speed, its about handling and running road courses, which that magazine didn’t compare.

Also, in what way has the Fusion Sport “Flopped”? Flopped what, sales? Or just your unrealistic expectations of what the car was actually designed for?

CB > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:11

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I wouldn’t say “flopped”. Expecting a performance car may have been a little much, but for people who want a bit more power, all-wheel drive, and a fully loaded car for $42k Canadian isn’t a bad deal at all. The fuel economy is crap, though.

Also, comparing the ST to a new Si seems a little facetious. The ST twins came out in 2012/2013, versus the Si coming out in 2017. Of course it should be better.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > dogisbadob 09/01/2016 at 17:13

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Ford will never do that because of how much of their customer base is still made up of old American mentality. Those people would never buy a turbo car.

jkm7680 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:13

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Me neither.

It’s weird how enthusiasts shit on certain cars that are quite good, then rush to suck off other cars that aren’t that good.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > AM3R shamefully returns 09/01/2016 at 17:13

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The interior is terrible, it’s slower, and the drive it punishing. How is that not sorely lagging?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Future next gen S2000 owner 09/01/2016 at 17:15

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Since it was announced that we were getting the Focus ST here in the states, standard-brand enthusiasts have been lining up to defend these cars. The only good one is the Fiesta ST.

My bird IS the word > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:17

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Ah but the st wont shit it’s timing components all over the sidewalk like the gti will.

Also the rs has 350 hp and awd. And its a hatch. And it is only available in manual. Drift mode doesn’t matter because I’ll never be able to use it.

TheHondaBro > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:18

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Because True Blue Ferd, bro.

I dove head-first into the comments when I read that David Tracy preferred the Accord V6. I enjoyed the butthurt.

Future next gen S2000 owner > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:19

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BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Gerry197 09/01/2016 at 17:20

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I didn’t have unrealistic expectations for it. The whole rest of the Auto community did because people don’t seem to understand that all the stuff Ford put on it were still just going on a Fusion. I’m disappointed in Jalopnik for expecting out of the car just because of its spec sheet. And most other outlets were putting out similar hype. It’s just crazy how little common car sense the current crop of writers have in the industry now.

Jcarr > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:20

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I wouldn’t rush to call it a flop just yet. Based on the number of Fusions I see every day, I’m sure Ford will sell quite a few of them.

AM3R shamefully returns > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:22

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The 2015 GTI is only .1 second faster to 60 than a 2013 focus ST. It’s a hot hatch, I wouldn’t expect a soft suspension. The GTI is just the more grown up option. Frankly, I find stock GTI’s boring. The ST is way better in that aspect. My friends tuned mk7 though, that’s a fun car. Problem is you can’t even really tune the 6mt without upgrading the clutch.

DipodomysDeserti > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:22

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Since when do enthusiasts care about interior or ride quality?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > CB 09/01/2016 at 17:22

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But people weren’t calling it a Fusion with a little extra a couple days/weeks ago. Everyone was already calling it an Audi-killer. No common sense at all. You seem to know and understand, but how many people have you seen that didn’t even consider that it was lipstick on a pig? Because that’s pretty much all i saw out there when this car was first being announced.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Future next gen S2000 owner 09/01/2016 at 17:22

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agreed.

/owns a FieSTa, becuase lets face it, it *IS* the best one... (OK, the GT350(R) is pretty good too)

Jcarr > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:23

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Those people would never buy a turbo car.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100921_f…

Leon711 > AM3R shamefully returns 09/01/2016 at 17:23

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I am a VW guy, and I agree with you. They are both lagging behind the Seat Leon but of course you can’t have that.

Decay buys too many beaters > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:24

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but I’m an unapologetic import snob.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > TheHondaBro 09/01/2016 at 17:24

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I did the same exact thing. I’ll be honest, my top pick for enthusiast car under $25k is the Accord Sport 6MT. It’s as fast as your average hot hatch, and is amazingly connected.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Jcarr 09/01/2016 at 17:27

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I don’t mean sales. Im sure these things will sell because people who think they’re too mature for an ST or RS now have an alternative. I meant as the next great affordable enthusiast sedan. Because almost every outlet was touting it as that during the lead-up.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:28

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Not sure how you can call it a flop. Notice everyone BUT Ford dubbed as a potential German blah-blah-550i-cubed-S17 fighter. Ford should not penalized for hyped up reporting, especially because not one person on the planet will cross-shop an S4 with a fusion. An A4 with a fusion, maybe. Maybe. Like. Big maybe.

David Tracy said, “In other words: the Fusion Sport is a family sedan first and a driver’s car second.” Well no fucking shit. What reasonable person expected anything different? It’s a family sedan with AWD and a more powerful engine...

I don’t see the problem here.

AM3R shamefully returns > Leon711 09/01/2016 at 17:28

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Oof the seat would be a fun car. I totally would not mind if they started selling those over here.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > AM3R shamefully returns 09/01/2016 at 17:28

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That’s what happens when a simple software reflash adds 125 ftlb of torque XD

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > My bird IS the word 09/01/2016 at 17:30

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Oh, so you’re one of those people worried about VWs reliability because people didn’t take care of their cars back in 2004? Got it bro.

Trust me, don’t maintain your fancy new Euro Ford and watch what happens.

AM3R shamefully returns > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:30

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Haha yeah, dyno put him at iirc 380hp and I think 410tq! Thing is a beast now. He also has a downpipe and an exhaust. The sound is intoxicating, especially in a garage.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > DipodomysDeserti 09/01/2016 at 17:31

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Since not all of us want a 15 year old Miata.

CB > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:31

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To be fair, a lot of the automotive enthusiast community is a bit dim. “This car is better because it has a manual!” when the manual is crap. “This is better because it’s small and good at handling!” when there’s a hole in the middle of the powerband and it’s still pretty damn pricey. People like to judge things based on numbers and features alone, rather than how everything works together. So can I fault the automotive community for calling it something that it isn’t? Absolutely not, because that what it has always done, and that’s what it’ll always do.

Jcarr > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:32

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It sounds like Ford wasn’t, though, so that’s really on journalists who pre-christened it as such.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Jcarr 09/01/2016 at 17:33

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But most of those buyers are new buyers. It even says the Eco boost engines are responsible for increased sales. Meaning those are fresh customers. Im talking about people on their 10th Ford and members of AARP.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/01/2016 at 17:35

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I know Ford didn’t say it. This post is about the overwhelming amount of the enthusiast community has those expectations. People are so gaga over Ford, and their cars just don’t deserve it.

Dusty Ventures > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:35

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In fairness, while the GTI is a few tenths faster to 60, the Focus ST is faster in the slalom and grips better on the skidpad

Brian, The Life of > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:37

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Ford > VW

Sorry.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Dusty Ventures 09/01/2016 at 17:37

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Those both come down to tires. I don’t know why VW continues to use those shitty Pirellis, but it’s done nothing but hurt the car.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Brian, The Life of 09/01/2016 at 17:38

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You’re just wrong.

Sorry.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > CB 09/01/2016 at 17:39

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I expect that from commenters and spectators. Its when the people that get paid to do this say it that I get so bothered over it all.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:40

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You’re having it both ways. You support the buzz when it’s against Ford (you said the RS is reported to be boring) but then trash it when it’s for Ford (the buzz surrounding the Fusion). Change your post to “I don’t like Fords.”

Brian, The Life of > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:43

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Am not, dieselgate boy

Party-vi > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:43

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I forgot VW is making an AWD 325hp sedan. Wait no they aren't :3

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Jcarr 09/01/2016 at 17:43

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Oh I completely blame the journalists. They’re the ones who reported that Ford didn’t take bailout money time and time again without bringing up or acknowledging the government money Ford took a couple years before the rest of the industry was bailed out. They’re the ones saying the Fusion is top in the segment when the cars build quality is trash and the interior is a joke. They’re the ones saying the Focus RS is a hero car when it can’t even keep up with cars that have been on the market for a couple years now. But people listen to them. And they have a responsibility to not build false hype.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/01/2016 at 17:45

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Here’s the difference:

The buzz saying the Focus is boring is after seat time. The buzz saying the Fusion was the next savior of enthusiasts was based on a spec sheet. Now that they’ve driven the Fusion, they’re saying the same thing about it.

If you don’t see how actual experience with the car changes those situations, I don’t know what else to say.

TheHondaBro > Brian, The Life of 09/01/2016 at 17:45

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Gentlemen, gentlemen, let’s all just concede that Honda is the best.

CB > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:46

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Eh, I can kind of expect it. Reviewing and anticipating automobiles is pretty subjective. How many reviews do you read where an author says a car does or doesn’t have soul? What the fuck does that even mean? Mix in a subjective experience with a lot of audience pandering (such as the “oh look, the Rio has an update” in The Morning Shift today versus a “LOOK THIS AUTOMAKER CHANGED THE HEADLIGHTS HOLY SHIT” that got its own article), and you get the kind of things that you’re pointing out. It’s just a part of the industry.

We also have the hype factor, which exists in pretty much every industry (although it’s most prevalent in gaming). Calling something an S4 killer sounds way better than having a headline than “Fusion Sport goes a bit faster, can park itself”. Any car that looks somewhat interesting will get press hype, pretty much guaranteed.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:46

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I’m the last person to defend Ford, but the implication that something based on the Fusion can’t be driven legitimately enthusiastically is hilarious. The Fusion drives incredible , especially considering it’s a plain Jane midsize sedan.

Tossing 325hp under the hood, some adaptive dampers, and some AWD won’t make it an S4 killer (the interior alone kills that dream,) but it should make an already strangely fun drive car more fun.

And the C&D review I read seemed mostly positive, the main negatives were the seat bolsters being a bit too soft and the steering needing a little more feedback, so I don’t know where your whole flop theory comes from.

On the whole “Focus ST getting spanked by the new Si” thing, I’d sure as hell hope a 2017 would whoop something that came out in 2013 coming to the end of its life cycle.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > TheHondaBro 09/01/2016 at 17:47

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Give me a new Accord Coupe 6MT and I will concede

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Brian, The Life of 09/01/2016 at 17:47

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We’re getting rid of my wife’s diesel, so jokes on you. But I also believe that Honda, Mazda, Chevy, and a whole other host of other brands are better than Ford if that makes you feel better.

LongbowMkII > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:47

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As opposed to all those young americans buying BMWs these days.

Brian, The Life of > TheHondaBro 09/01/2016 at 17:47

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My banhammer trigger finger is itchy ... for some reason.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Party-vi 09/01/2016 at 17:48

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They’re making an AWD 290hp sedan. And its a much better car. Its called the CC Executive.

Spridget > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:48

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Yeah, the ST isn’t worse than the GTI, it’s just not a overpriced vehicle with low quality materials from a brand with a bad reputation. If you’re looking for good, reliable, high quality vehicle, the Fusion is better than the Camry, Accord, Mazda6 (yes it is), Subaru It’s Boring Now, Nissan Altima, Chevy Blobfish, Chrysler Sebring’s Bitch, and VW Passat. The only ones better than the Fusion are the Koreans, Hyundai and Kia. The fact is, people don’t buy a midsize sedan looking for a driver’s car, they look for comfort, build quality, reliability, and a reasonable entry price, which is why the Camry is such a popular car; it’s good a these things. The Fusion isn’t a car for people like us, who want a fun or interesting car, but for people like my dad, a middle aged doctor who wants to drive from place, isn’t a particularly good driver, and wants a car that will give him good bang for his buck. Just because a car doesn’t meet your standard for what you want, it doesn't make it bad, it’s just good for a different person.

TheHondaBro > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/01/2016 at 17:49

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Best I can do is a Toyota Paseo.

LongbowMkII > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:49

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Timing chain tensioners are just general maintenance? That's news.

Brian, The Life of > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:49

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Well, if you’re gonna be WRONG you might as well go all-in, I suppose. I admire your commitment to wrongness, at least.

TheHondaBro > Brian, The Life of 09/01/2016 at 17:50

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Sorry, can’t hear you over my screaming 4-banger ;)

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:51

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You continue to miss the point. The opinion of a fool (media) who preemptively declared a Fusion an S4 fighter beforehand is about as good as his opinion after. It needs to be graded based on what it is: a midsize damned American sedan. The review will be “well that was disappointing” because the expectations were laughable.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > LongbowMkII 09/01/2016 at 17:51

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It’s the top selling luxury brand in the US. So I guess they must be.

Spridget > dogisbadob 09/01/2016 at 17:51

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No one besides enthusiasts has those priorities. The Fusion was an enthusiast flop, but Ford isn’t going to build a car to appeal to 1% of the market.

Spridget > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:52

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It’s not because of that, but because only us enthusiasts care about turbos and forced induction and dual - overhead cams and all that. People just want a car that gets them from A to B.

Brian, The Life of > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:54

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You mean the people who are dying/already bought their last new car? Oh yeah, Ford should totes care about that segment.

LongbowMkII > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 17:54

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Speaking of flops....

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > TheHondaBro 09/01/2016 at 17:55

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I’d rather have an Escort Coupe than a Paseo. Because SC400-likeness.

LongbowMkII > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/01/2016 at 17:56

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Good news! It’s at your local Ford dealership. They call it a mustang or something, but trust me, it's an accord.

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 18:02

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As a fellow fan of a Germanic car brand, you need to dial down the Homerism a bit and admit that manufacturers other than VW can make good cars. The RS and GT350 are excellent cars, full stop(if you get bored with an RS, you need to get yourself a beige Camry and accept that a car is an appliance to you, and if you are only looking at 0-60 times for a GT350, you are missing the entire concept of the car). The fusion sport was hyped as something it was never supposed to be, that’s not Ford’s fault, and they will probably sell them by the boat load to the father of 2 that wants some pep in his ride, but needs something that will comfortably shuttle his family around. And its apparently spot on for that market.

As for why the journalists got their hopes up for an S4/340i fighter? On the spec sheet it looks like it should be able to and Ford really didn’t do anything to tamp down those hopes. Which I’m fine with because why would they? If they get a few extra sales from someone looking for a more comfort-oriented 300+ hp sedan that was only looking at the Germans before, good for them. Ultimately, it was just a misunderstanding of what this car was meant to be that lead to the hype train going off the rails.

Brian, The Life of > TheHondaBro 09/01/2016 at 18:03

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What’s that you say? I can’t hear you over the banshee wail of my FLAT-PLANE CRANK V8!

/iwish

Gamecat235 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 18:05

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You’re choosing the automaker with the largest legal scandal looming over its head as the standard bearer? I mean, from an international perspective, Dieselgate may ruin VW yet.

And comparing the GT350 to a Camaro SS is so missing the bus that I don’t even think you know the route (and the special, stupidly awesome edition is so easy to remember than I have to imagine you’re just pretending, since it just adds an “R”... and some carbon fiber wheels, and other goodies, to the model).

I’m not a Ford fanboy. Hell, with the exception of Mazda and Datsun of the 70's, I don’t believe that most automakers are on point enough to be fanboyish about (except Porsche, those fuckers know whats up, but they charge for the pleasure).

So, the auto only realistically priced sport fusion model didn’t change the game? No one realistically expected it to.

But until VW gets back on stable ground, brings the Super or Baja back, or decides that they should throw the R badge onto other cars, or realizes that they will never be as cool as they were when they had the bug, minibus, and Karmann Ghia all being produced at the same time? They’ll just that company that sells Jetta’s. =)

Comes over to help work on your car and only drinks beer > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 18:07

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Clearly all the cheaty diesel exhaust is fogging your vision.

Forreals, though? Fords not your thing? Fine, cool...but we should all be able to agree that the amount of effort put into fun, performance vehicles by all of the manufacturers, in stark contrast to other periods in history, is certainly a good thing. Don’t like it? Go back to the mid ‘70's when a ‘performance’ car often didn’t crack 200 HP.

TheHondaBro > Brian, The Life of 09/01/2016 at 18:07

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Flat-plane crank V8? Is that anything like a VTEC V8 built with two motorcycle engines?

/icandothisallday

LongbowMkII > Brian, The Life of 09/01/2016 at 18:07

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That’s why they’re bringing back the panther platform dontchaknow.

My bird IS the word > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 18:09

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My friends 30k mile 2010 golf gti blew up one of the timing gears or some such. Cost him 3000$. Vw didn’t cover it. Apparently it's a common thing.

Brian, The Life of > Gamecat235 09/01/2016 at 18:12

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And Passats! Don’t forget about the Passats! Also, that sweet, sweet 2.0L turbo 4 that likes to lunch itself before the odo breaks 6 digits!

Gamecat235 > Brian, The Life of 09/01/2016 at 18:17

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The Passat, for one glorious moment, was truly a car with a mission. It aspired to be the embodiment of nearly all things Jalop.

Abnormal engine configuration? Check.
8 Cylinders? Check.
AWD? Check.
Manual option? Check.
Wagon version? Check.
Manual option with the wagon version? Check.
Likely sleeper? Check.

So the Passat gets a pass for the brief and glorious run of the W8 4Motion Manual Wagon Passat.

OPPOsaurus WRX > TheHondaBro 09/01/2016 at 18:19

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I can’t hear you over my exhaust leak.... O wait...

TylerJ > DipodomysDeserti 09/01/2016 at 18:20

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The first winter after owning the car for three years.

*creak* *squeak* *rub* *creak* Great, now I’ve backed out of the garage. Now to go down the driveway. *creak* *squeak* *rub* *creak* *creak* *squeak* *rub* *creak* *creak* *squeak* *rub* *creak*

Brian, The Life of > Gamecat235 09/01/2016 at 18:28

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This is true in a “every dog has its day” sort of way ;)

Under_Score > dogisbadob 09/01/2016 at 18:32

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I thought you were being sarcastic when you said that the Fusion failed because it’s not a manual wagon. I feel like automatic versions of these cars, while angering enthusiasts reading Jalopnik on their iPhone 6S’s, would actually produce more sales. A Nitrous Blue RS with an automatic sounds really awesome to me.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Gamecat235 09/01/2016 at 18:33

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So Because the SS beats everything the GT350 does, I’m missing the point? And dont tell me ones a track monster and the other isn’t. Because you know what? The Camaro SS with the MRC suspension can outrun the GT350 on the track, and it’s lighter! And it costs less! And so many other points that everyone forgot of because of A FUCKING ENGINE CONFIGURATION. How simple can people be?!

yamahog > DipodomysDeserti 09/01/2016 at 18:34

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dang tootin! IDGAF about either!

-she said, packing extra pillows for the 10 hour drive to NY

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP 09/01/2016 at 18:36

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The SS with MRC is faster around the track than a GT350. People have completely thrown common sense out the window because of an engine configuration. It’s absolutely stupid.

And you do realise that you can get a RWD, V8, American sedan for the same price as the Fusion “Sport” right? It’s called the Charger...

Brian, The Life of > TheHondaBro 09/01/2016 at 18:37

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Oh yeah, well ... RIDGELINE!

/piledriver

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > My bird IS the word 09/01/2016 at 18:39

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I used to work at a VW/Audi specialty shop. The only time we ever saw that was when people abused their cars and didn’t take care of them. Was your friend one of those guys that would receive the “recommended maintenance” from his service advisor and then never do them?

Nauraushaun > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 18:39

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You seem to be calling out cars for being shit based on one single aspect. For example, you’re saying the RS is shit because it has a drift mode? It gets a lot of press, but I’m sure it’s a great car, drift mode or not.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Nauraushaun 09/01/2016 at 18:43

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I’m not saying it’s shit for that. I’m saying that that was the standout feature, and even that failed to impress much. The Sport had its performance, and that failed to impress. If the one thing that is supposed to draw people to your car falls flat, how is the rest of the package even supposed to be a consideration?

Gamecat235 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 18:44

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No. The GT350 sounds better. That’s what matters, right? ;)

And speaking of track monsters, neither has anything on the last gen z/28. That thing was a beast . We should still be talking about that thing.

I’m still not sold on the Camaro though, until visibility is a priority, I won’t ever even contemplate buying one. And I’ve spent a fair amount of time in both the last generation of SS and this generation of SS. Still not there. I prefer the Mustang from a comfort, ingress/egress, visibility perspective, but since they nerfed the V6 models, I have no desire there either.

But... for the record, I do have one slight bias here. And that is, given all things being equal, I still want a FoST more than I want a GTI. The GTI has gone soft the last couple of generations. And the ST hasn’t softened quite to that level (talk to me about the G LI though).

Ironically... other than the Volvo XC70 I had in Detroit, best rental car I’ve had this year? Beetle.

Automakers try to appeal to too many people. There are too many cars designed for focus groups. And whoever the Fusion Sport was for, they didn’t actually exist as a market. Kind of like the EOS, which I’m still shocked made it as long as it did. I guess people were actually that hard up for a follow up to the Cabrio.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Comes over to help work on your car and only drinks beer 09/01/2016 at 18:49

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Why are people ignoring the fact that they can get a RWD V8 sedan for the same price as the Fusion Sport? Forget VW for a second. There are better cars to be found everywhere...

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Party-vi 09/01/2016 at 18:49

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And 380 lb ft of torque.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Gamecat235 09/01/2016 at 18:58

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Actually, when I was looking at the Beetle, I was also considering a FiST. I consider the FiST better than the FoST in every subjective category. Its the one performance Ford I can get behind.

Gamecat235 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 19:00

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My problem with the FiST is that I’m about 6'1", weigh about 220, and have the legs of someone 6'5". It’s just a tad too small for me, whereas the FoST is much more in the almost right category (this is the one place that the Mustang shines. I think it’s designed for dads. Let that sink in =).

dogisbadob > Under_Score 09/01/2016 at 19:00

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A grabber blue Accord sedan yo

Funktheduck > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 19:01

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Damn. Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Ford certainly makes more sporty/performance oriented vehicles than VW. Is that why you’re so salty? I don’t recall anyone press or commenters saying ford is the performance Jesus. They put out several performance/sporty vehicles at mostly affordable prices. I wasn't aware that was a bad thing.

You can’t really compare the ST and GTI. One gets used at the track and the other gets slammed to the ground and given all the camber and has trouble with highway speeds. Not sure how one is sorely behind since they put out similar numbers

If the new Si isn’t better than the ST then Honda has failed because the ST will be about 5 years old compared to the Si.

Between the mustang and Camaro: it's always a dog fight to which is faster.

Funktheduck > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/01/2016 at 19:02

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I kinda wanted one of these in high school briefly after zooming around in one for a short bit. It was fun.

Funktheduck > Gamecat235 09/01/2016 at 19:06

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I saw a new beetle with a dune sticker on it and a big spoiler yesterday. That counts for cool performance right?

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 09/01/2016 at 19:13

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The only place I can find someone saying an SS can beat a GT350 on track(aside from some pretty clearly GM-leaning sites) is from Camaro chief engineer Al Oppenheiser talking about the as-yet unreleased 2017 SS L1E. And he is far from an unbiased opinion. And even if it was a tenth faster or so, the GT350 is still a very good car.

And I never said that there was no other American car(or any other country for that matter) in that market. I am quite aware that the Charger exists. Ford certainly didn’t have a car in that market though, so this is plugging a gap in their portfolio.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Gamecat235 09/01/2016 at 19:13

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I’m 6', 260lbs, and almost all leg. As long As you don’t get the Recaros, the FiST has stupid room...

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Funktheduck 09/01/2016 at 19:15

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Oh and the Z06 is going to crush the GT.

Like so many people are focusing on my 1/3 of an argument that involves a VW that they’re missing the point.